In this episode, Phil is joined by Kurt Willems, pastor, host of the Theology Curator podcast, and author of the book Echoing Hope. In this episode, Phil and Kurt explore suffering and pain, what the humanity of Jesus has to say about our suffering, and explore some practices for walking through suffering. We all suffer at some point in our lives, and it’s normal to wonder where God is in the midst of it and how our walk with Jesus informs our walk through and after those difficult times. Kurt’s book walks us through these tough questions and helps point us toward healing.

Check out the conversation and then Kurt’s book at the link below!

Check out Echoing Hope: https://amzn.to/3tBv77P

Kurt’s Website: https://theologycurator.com

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